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Archive 1

New pages for buildingsEdit

I won't add any new pages until further notice.  I added the ones I thought were useful.  I won't add the creature dwellings because they're in the town's main page.

DA WarM (talk) 18:38, April 30, 2015 (UTC)


Well, not certain if that is what you meant, but I did create the category, Category:Armageddon's Blade campaign scenarios to store scenarios of Armageddon's Blade campaign. Not sure what you exactly mean, can you make an edit and let me see what you mean exactly? Energy X 19:48, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

I see. But I was thinking more of the fact to separate the campaign scenarios with single scenarios; it would be strange to put them both in the same category, right? Or, if you prefer, the category can be just renamed, so "Category:Dragon's Blood scenarios" would be named "Category:Dragon's Blood campaign" or just "Category:Dragon's Blood". Energy X 15:33, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I didn't see much of an issue when making the H5 campaigns. But I will think about your idea around these days. Energy X 19:50, May 11, 2015 (UTC)


Huh, just as a personal opinion, are the books well written?

Anyway, it is, indeed, necessary to create these articles. But, for other question, I must ask: how long are these books? How many characters are in there? Do all (or most) characters and monsters appear in both books, or are they highly different from one another? Finally, is there some other thing to base the setting on?

Anyway, I'll try to come up about those categories. Energy X 20:53, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and yeah, if there are some drawings or artwork being that in the book, it would be nice to scan them and upload them. If you have a scanner, that is. Energy X 20:55, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Hm. Maybe their next books would've had more quality. Oh well. Anyway, for the category, how does "Category:Dreamwright & Shadowsmith characters" sound? As for "base the setting on", thought that since the world is not named, maybe the area where they experience most of their adventures is named instead. Since there is no artwork, is there anything notable that can be scanned? Energy X 09:23, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Very well, continue on. Energy X 20:11, August 11, 2015 (UTC)


Just how many characters are there, anyway? Energy X 20:35, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, that doesn't seem like a big number to separate the categories. Considering how many more there could be. Besides, you did say a lot of characters from Dreamwright appear in Shadowsmith, meaning that there would be a lot of articles appearing in both categories. At least this way the readers can know the characters and creatures by setting, even if it isn't named. Energy X 21:02, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

Lore Edit

Greetings, Narve I have a question, where in the Heroes of Might and Magic games is the town Moulder to be found in Deyja? I played Heroes of Might and Magic III, Restoration of Erathia, Shadow of Death and Armageddon's Blade and I couldn't find it in any game scenarios in the campaigns. Can you help me?

I don't think it appears in the Heroes games, it's found in Might and Magic VII.Narve (talk) 19:40, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Hello Narve I have a theory that is questionable, but could it be possible that Ordwald is perhaps the son or a descendant of Lich Emperror Mederon? For it was mentioned that the Nighon lands he controled where given to him by a 'much greater father', could it be that much greater father was Emperror Mederon on Ordwald's biography it also was written that Ordwald rejected the warrior’s arts and turned to magic. He is an old, but powerful, warlock in a land where lords almost never live long enough to grow old. Perhaps it means that he was given his lands by this greater father but did not want to rule them as a warrior(Overlord) and become a Warlock(turned to magic) and did not want to became a ruler of Nighon? Why also is Ordwald a Druid not a Warlock in the game? Nighon doesn't really have Druids only Walrocks and Overlords and in his biography it also states that he is an old but powerfull warlock, I don't understand why the made him a Druid then?

Unlikely. Mederon was a lich, and it would be strange for a lich to have a human child. Besides, the emperor lost his lands, so there was probably nothing left for anyone to inherit. In addition, if Ordwald's father was a lich, he wouldn't have "rejected the warrrior's arts" - liches aren't warriors, they're spellcasters.
As for why they made him a druid, that's a very strange choice, and I can't explain it. Possibly just a mistake?Narve (talk) 15:49, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

I see, I have seen a map on which says a part of Nighon by the sea called 'Mederon Peninsula' that part must have belonged to Emperror Mederon, howewer I wonder who Ordwald's father really was if it was written on his bio lands given to him by a much greater father I thought from that part that Ordwald's father could have been a monarch. Although if Ordwald's father was a monarch than Ordwald to would most likely be a ruler of Nighon but he was not, but I don't understand why on his page underneath says Occupation: De-facto ruler of Nighon, I don't know what de-facto means?

De facto essentially means "practically". In other words, he's not officially the ruler, but he is the most powerful person in the nation. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if that's actually supported by the games - maybe we should change that to "One of the Lords of Nighon" or something like that.
And the Mederon Peninsula was invented for a fan-made map, it doesn't actually appear in any game or story.Narve (talk) 18:19, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

In heroes 3 Shadow of Death the final chapter of Rise of the Necromancer known as Duke Alarice I played it was written on the region map that the new king of deyja is still not settled into the throne of Deyja, I have a question was Duke Alarice the protector of the King's throne in the throne of Deyja at that time? Because it was written that Sandro and Finneas overthrew Duke Alarice and later Finneas became a lord of Deyja by the King of Deyja.

Most likely not - Alarice was just the ruler of a contested area. It was their unlikely victory over a superior enemy that impressed the king, not the fact that they defeated that particular lord.Narve (talk) 18:51, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

What did they mean by after killing Duke Alarice they will be a step away from the throne, what was their next step, perhaps to overthrow the King of Deyja so Finneas could become King or to have another battle at another region?

In the game Heroes Chronicles:Revolt of the Beastmasters, was Mad King Gryphonheart the King of the nation that later became Tatalia or was he only the King of Erathia, I never played the game that's why I ask?

Yes, the next step was to overthrow the king and replace him with Finneas. Sandro says that "Soon the king will understand the full view of my vision. Then it will be too late for him." In order words, he's killed and replaced.
The Mudlands, the swamps that later became Tatalia, were part of Erathia at the time of Revolt of the Beastmasters. Before that, they were part of Krewlod, and before that, Bracaduun. But Tatalia didn't become a nation until the events of that game.Narve (talk) 16:55, August 4, 2015 (UTC)


Actually what I wanted to ask was if Mad King Gryphonheart had his throne in the mudlander lands of which later became Tatalia at time of Revolt of the Beastmasters in that last scenario of the game where they had beaten him with Tarnum?

No, his throne was in Erathia. He had entered the swamps to hunt the escaped slaves.Narve (talk) 08:50, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Now I seen the video where Finneas Vilmar is crowned lord by the King of Deyja after defeating Duke Alarice, do you know perhaps if he was crowned in that same region where after he defeated Duke Alarice or was he crowned elsewhere?

No idea.Narve (talk) 09:36, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks still. Do you perhaps know the town in which Finneas was crowned by the King of Deyja?

No. Probably Moulder, since that's the capital.Narve (talk) 13:19, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

I thought Moulder was found in Heroes VII? Was it the capitol before Heroes VII? In which scenario does Moulder actually appear or is mentioned in Heroes VII, I never played the game that's why I didn't know?

Moulder isn't found in Heroes VII, it's found in Might and Magic VII. Heroes VII takes place in Ashan, not on the planet Enroth, and hasn't come out yet.Narve (talk) 14:50, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, well what I meant to ask was if there is a possibility that Moulder was perhaps constructed or even existed before the beggining of Might and Magic VII?

It was definitely constructed long before Might and Magic VII began.Narve (talk) 15:12, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

So the capitol city is actually the city which has a capitol and where the King or Queen has it's throne there and rules over a nation?

Yes, a capital (not capitol) is where the ruler lives. This is usually the case in reality, and almost always true in fiction.Narve (talk) 15:34, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

I've seen on some pages that Castle Gloaming has a throne room and I believe that King Archibald Ironfist became ruler there in Deyja later, so I was wondering how come Castle Gloaming wasn't the capital of Deyja in Might and Magic VII? On some pages I saw that Castle Gloaming has a throne room. and this

Castle Gloaming isn't a city, it's a castle in Moulder.Narve (talk) 14:41, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Now I understand.

In the last scenario of the campaign Shadow of Death in the campaign Specter of Power in the last scenario 'With Blinders on' there was said that Sandro kiled an innocent Deyjan Lord known as Smedth, but there was only a Death Knight known as Dufus that he kiled, then on some pages it was written that he kiled Smedth now I am wondering if Dufus is actually Smedth, or is Smedth just a character that doesn't actually show up as a playable hero in that game? Also there is a another character known as Lord Amrothal who also doesn't appear in that game as a hero?

I don't know. It's been a while since I played that scenario.Narve (talk) 16:34, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

After Sandro's fall Sandro and Finneas lost their kingdom to the four heroes Gelu, Gem, Crag Hack and Yog, now I don't understand what Sandro meant by saying four very brave but very foolish heroes have enter my realm so he meant it was actually his kingdom not Finneas's kingdom Sandro was actually rulling the kingdom of Deyja not Finneas Vilmar?

Sandro wasn't officially the ruler, but he considered Finneas his puppet - just there to be the face that ruled the kingdom, while Sandro made all the actual decisions. Of course, Sandro later discovered that Finneas was more independent than he thought, which is how he ended up behind bars.Narve (talk) 18:43, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Actually I was wondering why they said in the last scenario we face the Necromancer in his lair? Does Sandro have a city of his own? There is nothing mentioned of Finneas Vilmar anymore in the last two scenarios of Unholly Alliance campaign I was wondering if Finneas was fighting alongside Sandro in his last battle in the final scenario of the unholly alliance campaign and why did they say we face the Necromancer in his lair? I thought Sandro already lost his city(lair) in the scenario Union before Fall of Sandro scenario but in Fall of Sandro he had another city in which he hided from the other four heroes?

The lair doesn't have to be a city. It could be a tower, a cave, a mansion, or a castle, or almost anything else. The lair is just where Sandro is hiding. And I don't know where Finneas was during the last battle - in this struggle, he just wasn't that important.Narve (talk) 09:38, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Are Lord Alarice and Duke Alarice one and the same person? If they are, how come they have different protraits in the games? One time it's Lord Alarice who has the portrait of Vokial and another time is Duke Alarice who has the portrait of Nimbus. Why is that?

I don't know.Narve (talk) 17:37, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

When actually did Xeron became a King of the Kreegans of Eeofol? I think you made a mistake there, wasn't it Lucifer Kreegan III and Xenofex?

If you mean on the Eeofol page: Yeah, my mistake. I've fixed it now.Narve (talk) 15:36, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

What does Lord High Commander mean, a highest millitary rank bellow the King of Eeofol probably? Who where the Sons of Erebus? Do you perhaps know how Lucifer Kreegan III look like, he was mentioned in the campaign Armageddon's Blade but was never actually shown in the game and what was the name of the first King of Deyja-the one who was shown on the video who crowned Finneas Vilmar(The one who Finneas and Sandro overthrew from the Deyjan throne)? 

Are courts actually only in capital cities or in any cities in Heroes in Might and Magic III?

  1. Lord High Commander highest military rank - Essentially, yes. I think this was also Lucifer's rank, before he became king.
  2. The Sons of Erebus were a religious order of demoniacs and heretics, wanting to carry out the wishes of king Lucifer above all else. I'll create a page for them later.
  3. No idea how Lucifer looks like, there's no pictures of him anywhere.
  4. Don't know what the king of Deyja's name was. I'll add it to the Deyja page if I ever find out.
  5. The court is just the king's servants. Some of them stay in his house, the rest goes where he goes. If he's in the capital, so are they.Narve (talk) 19:18, August 14, 2015 (UTC)


I personally believe that King Lucifer Kreegan looks a bit like Xeron and has a Devilish figure though I have no idea.

I think Lucifer looks a bit either like Xeron or like Axsis due to rumors of him looking like Devil or a Demon King as they called him, I strongly doubt he looks like Xyron or like Zidar or even like Rashka or like Calyd or so, more of a devilish/demon figure. Familliar to an Arch Devil and has horns on his head thats how I my imagine him to look like.

Why did Sandro and Finneas actually had to remove the Duke Alarice from that contested Deyjan area and what does contested area mean? Was because they had to impress the King with that stunning show and abillity or something else?

"Contested" means that more than one person wants it. In this case, it was Alaric and Sandro, so they fought (contested) over it. And yes, they were trying to impress the king.Narve (talk) 19:58, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

When Sandro and Finneas where defeated, did they escaped from Deyja? When they mentioned Sandro being defeated it was actually Sandro and Finneas together that where defeated by the four heroes right?

No, just Sandro was defeated - Finneas remained firmly on his throne. I don't know if Sandro fled from Deyja, but if he did, he soon returned.Narve (talk) 12:54, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

So then Finneas didnt even appear in that last scenario Fall of Sandro if he was on his throne and only Sandro was defeated in that last battle?

I misspoke. Finneas appeared in the last scenario, and he may have been defeated in battle, but he never fled from Deyja, and he remained king.Narve (talk) 14:07, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

So in Specter of Power scenarios Sandro was still fighting in Deyja in those last four scenarios?

In some of them, yes. In the first one, he heads from Deyja to "invade" Haart's castle (actually a plot to leave him a poison to use on King Gryphonheart).Narve (talk) 16:08, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

I asked a wrong question what I meant to ask is if Finneas and Sandro after they where defeated in the last scenario Fall of Sandro they never fled from the region they where defeated and they never fled from Deyja, they where only defeated there correct? They where defeated but they stayed there, they never left Deyja.

Correct, they never left Deyja. I don't know if they left the region.Narve (talk) 18:09, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Why is there an option for a - main town - in map editor? What good is that for? Is it perhaps for marking a capital city in a map?

I don't know.Narve (talk) 18:23, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Do you know perhaps how King Tralossk looks like? I seen Duke Winston Boragus but I did not have seen King Tralossk, I heard he looks like a Lizardman and that he had Eleven daughters, one of them was Styg. She was the eleventh.

No, I don't know what he looks like, but yes, he's a lizardman. And he had at least eleven daughters - Styg description says she's the eleventh, but not that she's the last, so there could be more.Narve (talk) 17:11, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

I think Wystan is the next heir to the throne of the Tatalian Fortress city Tidewater is he not? Where exactly on the map is Tidewater located? Is it there where it says Tidewaters Cove perhaps?

Yes, Wystan is the next heir (he's married to Tralossk's oldest daughter), and Tidewater lies in Tidewater Cove.Narve (talk) 16:42, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Tidewater is a Fortress town? Is Tidewater Cove a region?

I don't know. Tidewater doesn't appear in any of the Heroes games, and the Might and Magic games don't use terms like Fortress or Rampart towns. And for your second question: Maybe.Narve (talk) 16:56, August 18, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, now I have seen it on the youtube videos that it is somekind of shipyard-town, sort of like an undercavern place for mostely pirates to hide or so and it's actuall name is Tidewater Caverns if this is it? So this is where King Tralossk lived, what happened to him then, was he kiled after Heroes of Might and Magic III?
I'm not sure whether Tidewater Caverns is the same place as Tidewater or Tidewater Cove. They're near, but I'm not sure they're the same. I don't know where Tralossk lived. He didn't appear after Heroes III, so he may have been killed in the Reckoning - or maybe he's alive somewhere, we just don't know.Narve (talk) 19:09, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers, probably we will never know what Tralossk actually look like, howewer I believe I know what Lucifer looked like, he appeared I believe as that Arch Devil on the seat by his Cerberus in the video of Dungeons and Devils campaign first scenario A Devilish Plan. That was probably him as I understand the seat of power was probably the chair on which he set, and I think I believe I know the reason why they made Ordwald a Druid was because they wanted him to have the specialty of spell ' Slayer ' though I do not know for what kind of purpuise. But it could be an error or fella that interfiered with the expansion pack of Armageddon's Blade, he was suppose to be a Warlock originally and I don't see any other reasons for making him a Druid because Nighon doesn't have any Druids, Druids belong only to Av Lee not to Nighon and Av Lee Druids are most likely as farr as I know no cave dwellers so they cannot live underground. Nighon only has Overlords and Warlocks and if Ordwald turned from warriors arts to magic can only mean he turned from an Dungeon Overlord which possibly his father was indeed to a Warlock which is what he was suppose to be and on his biography it states he is an old but powerfull warlock meaning he had to be a Warlock not a Druid, so that was most likely a mistake they made exept if they wanted him for some reason to have 'Slayer' as a specialty because no other Warlock or Overlord has that ability and I think no other hero has that ability either exept a Druid, but I cannot explain the purpoise or reason why they would need that but it is the only explanation that I can find.

So after Heroes of might and magic 3 and before Might and Magic VII began there was a Reckoning that destroyed the entire surface world of Enroth?

No, the Reckoning was after Might and Magic VIII and Heroes Chronicles. The only games set in the same continuity after the Reckoning was Might and Magic IX and Heroes IV (both take place on Axeoth, where the survivors fled).Narve (talk) 05:11, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

But then how is it that lord Markham became King of Tatalia and when was he crowned King? Did he became King after King Tralossk or before?

What makes you think Lord Markham was ever King of Tatalia?Narve (talk) 15:04, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Well I thought that he was King because on the page of Tatalia was written previous rulers: Lord Markham, Droglo that is why. But later I read first was ruled by Droglo and then by Tralossk but again I was confused

Our page about Tatalia has never mentioned Lord Markham. And there were hundreds of years between Droglo and Tralossk.Narve (talk) 15:14, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

On the page of Antagarich in the section Tatalia it says former rulers: Droglo, Lord Markham. Then it says Previous ruler: Tralossk.

Odd. I've fixed it now.Narve (talk) 15:25, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Does Tidewater appear in any other Might and Magic game or any Heroes game than just in Might and Magic VII?

I don't think so.Narve (talk) 17:39, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

I found a page on a site of IGN Guides, on promotional quests there are written texts like this:


A man in the northernmost settlement in Deyja offers to train your clerics if you return with the map to Evermorn Island. The map was stolen by pirates and hidden away in their headquarters in the Tidewater Caverns. The Tidewater Caverns are logically situated near the city of Tidewater, which is the capital of Tatalia. The caves themselves are on an island west of the harbor and thus, you must use the Walk on Water spell to get there. That means that you either have to have expert water magic to learn the spell, or that you have to find or buy a scroll.

The caves themselves are not that exceptional. There should be no new enemies, and they should all be easy to kill. There are only a couple of things to remember here. When you enter the caves you are in a large cave-like room - well, ok, maybe it is a cave. Enemies will try to swarm you, but they are so weak that you shouldn't care. Just kill them and head into the next room where there is a staircase. Just look for a secret passage on the left side of the stairs. There is a treasure chest in there. If you go up the stairs, you will be in another room. Head out on to the deck of the "ship" (I found it kind of looked that way.) and take the stairs up to the top deck. From there go down into the hold and kill everything. Near the stairs going down to another cave, search the walls. A secret passage containing several chests should open up. In one of them there is the map. Exit the caverns and bring the map to the priest in Deyja. You will be promoted and you will also be allowed to travel via ship to Evermorn Island.

I was wondering if this was written by a player who played the game, or does this text appear in the game of Might and Magic VII?

That text was written by a player.Narve (talk) 06:10, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

I have a question many times in the game of Heroes 3 it is mentioned Lords who are they? Are they the playable heroes in the game or are they rulers of an area like a region or so? Could they be any kind of hero a lord?

Lords are just high-ranking nobles, and rulers of an area. Some lords are heroes, and some heroes are lords, but not all of them.Narve (talk) 16:19, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Then I have one more question, how come Duke Winston Boragus is the ruler of the kingdom of Krewlod if he is just Duke? Can a Duke rule a kingdom or a monarchy by himself alone?

That happens in our world as well - for example, the monarchy of Luxembourg is ruled by Duke Henri. But as for why Boragus didn't call himself king, I don't know. Maybe he preferred the title of Duke, or maybe it was easier for the people he ruled to accept if he didn't take the title.Narve (talk) 18:49, September 4, 2015 (UTC)


Hm, what do you think, should the building template be made vertical, like this? Of course, that would require the template to be split into four pieces: one for file, one for name, one for requirements and one for description. It is just that the current one may feel too big to placed in the article. In addition, do you think a skill/ability template should be made (making tables all the time may be a bit too much). Energy X 17:07, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I know how it looks. But when added with other buildings, it feels like too much scrolling to find a piece of info. Well, I will try to see an alternative. Energy X 19:46, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

20k editsEdit

Huh, guess it was about time a new user made 20 000 edits here. Congratulations, either way.

This also gives me an idea to make the "Might & Magic Wiki diary". Simply put, one'd write about events from Might & Magic, this Wiki, community in total and about other things. Your milestone certainly cannot be ignored. Energy X 19:50, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, yes, that does sound important. Wish we had a transcript template, since I doubt the text template should suit this. In any case, go ahead. {{SUBST:Template:Signature/Energy X}} (talk) 08:50, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, these pages should be merged with faction ones. Not sure how else we'd call them, plus it is just a piece of lore about the creatures themselves. {{SUBST:Template:Signature/Energy X}} (talk) 11:35, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help! :-)


Hey, I managed to make the final version of the building template in my infobox. I would like you (and others) opinion on the current version. Thing is, the way the buildings are presented can feel a bit overwhelming (when one has to scroll down through the templates over and over). This is just a version to make them more organized and aligned horizontally, rather than vertically. Energy X 10:26, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

It could be just made into a new row. I am aware of the issue, though. Energy X 20:00, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. In the game Heroes of might and magic 3 are all heroes generals, or are only a few of them generals like Gen. Morgan Kendal of the Royal Erathian Millitary Command for instance?

They're all military leaders, but only some of them have the rank of general.Narve (talk) 20:16, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

That is exactly what I thought! Thank you.


Well I'd prefer to have buildings kept in the base articles. At best, they can be turned into redirects.

As for the classes, they have to be set up properly, meaning there has to be a layout for these articles. I'll try to revise them and set up a base, so the other articles can follow such layout. Energy X 21:06, September 10, 2015 (UTC)


How 'bout this? Energy X 13:03, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, is it because the images are vertical? If so, I guess I can make them horizontal (just has more of that background). Also, do you think it is better to have those skills listed in a table (to Grandmaster, Master and Expert sections)? Energy X 14:03, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, do you think Wizard is better? Energy X 17:37, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

I have played the entire Heroes Chronicles Conquest of the Underworld and on Duke Deezelisks bio it said he is one of the most powerfull demons of the underworld,wasn-t he the most powerfull one if he was the ruler and leader of the entire underworld by himself alone? There is noone else that was more powerfull or was there? Could it be that he was a King before and prefered the title Duke Deezelisk? Also was Kurl the Wizard-King or just a Wizard? He was the ruler of the Empire of Bracaduun?

Deezelisk didn't rule the entire Underworld, just part of it - the person who created his page was wrong. There might have been more powerful demons there. Kurl was one of the Wizard-Kings, but not the ruler of Bracaduun - there were many Wizard-Kings during his time.Narve (talk) 18:10, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

I know but Kurl was at least one of the rulers Wizard-Kings right?

He was one of the Wizard-Kings, yes.Narve (talk) 19:19, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

So there could have been a King of the Underworld not only a Duke then?

There's never been mentioned a character like that, so there's probably not.Narve (talk) 21:13, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Now I have a question if you could help me a bit. I-ve noticed that in the Heroes Chronicles edition the maps h3m for the campaign h3c cannot be opened for some unknown reasons. If i try to open them with the standard campaign editor it says Invalid map version file version 7 current version 6! I tried to open themwith the Wogeditor but it does not work either do you know perhaps of a solution for that how can I converte the h3c maps into a format I could open? The gamemakers have made it with an internal campaign editor one that was never released to the public and there is no other way to extract the maps out do you know how?

No, I don't know anything about that.Narve (talk) 05:46, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

So there could have been more powerfull demons than Duke Deezelisk in the underworld but not all in the same rank of Duke is that what you meant? Because if he was said to be the Duke of the underworld than it is more to be assumed that he is also the only Duke underground, otherwise it would said that Deezelisk is                                                     -one of the Dukes of the Underworld-               not the Duke of the Underworld in the intro video never deal with a demon.

It's also possible that he's the ruler of the entire Underworld. We just don't know.Narve (talk) 16:17, September 14, 2015 (UTC)


Well, I think it is better to tag such pages with (MM4), but leave a note that it also appears with the same function in MM5. Energy X 16:32, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

These demons of the underworld are like some kind of ancestors of the Kreegans of Eeofol, Dungeon Overlord of Nighon and the Necromncers of Deyja alltogether if I-m not mistaken?

You're mistaken. It's possible that the kreegans use the demons from the Underworld (the exact mechanics are hard to figure out), but they have nothing to do with the Underworld themselves. The only reason why some of the demons look like Dungeon and Necropolis creatures is for gameplay purposes - it's not the origin of either faction.Narve (talk) 20:31, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

So infact what you tried to say is that the reasons for gameplay purposes why they made Necropolis, Dungeons and Inferno towns together for the Demons of the Underworld was not to make us believe they where the ancestors of these three types of armies but to make the Demons of the Underworld look a bit different than the Kreegans of Eeofol so that they wouldn-t look the same because there is no real difference or it is hard to spott between Kreegans and Demons if I got it right now?

No, it was to make the Demons of the Underworld look different from each other - the Underworld is a strange, horrible place, and not all demons look the same.Narve (talk) 16:16, September 15, 2015 (UTC)

Correct me if I-m wrong, but if Jorm was in the 7th scenario it means he was second in command of Dezeelisks armies, so he was like a powerfull Demon Lord or a Demon Baron or maybe a Demon Count or something like that that is bellow a Duke it stands howewer that he wanted to become a Duke on his biography and that he is a lesser Demon so I don-t know what kind of Demon is he then ranked?

"he was second in command of Dezeelisks armies" What gave you that idea? Anyway, I don't think his rank, if he has one, is ever stated.Narve (talk) 13:41, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

Actually that was a bit nonesence that he was second in command, I thought so because he was the one who captured the soul of Gryphonheart howewer it has nothing to do with this my mistake.

I thought Jorm was a Count or a Baron or something beneath a Duke if he is a lesser demon because in the third scenario when Tarnum fought Necromancer Demons or whatever they are at the beggining it was mentioned that alongside Sandro two other -   Demon Barons   -  where protecting the land in one of the text messages in the campaign HeroesChronicles Conquest of the Underworld.

That doesn't mean Jorm has a rank. And if he does, I don't think it's stated in the game.Narve (talk) 11:26, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

How actually did you know what the biography background of Jorm is? He is not a playable hero so there is no way anyone could know his background I dont understand?

And how did you know the amount of experience Jorm had can you please tell me that?

Ah, but there are alternative ways to find out. It means that whoever created the Heroes Chronicles also left some maps that can be opened and viewed in map editor. Also, the same people could've just shared bits and pieces of information, like Jorm's stats. Energy X 22:17, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but unfortunettly no one can open them with the map editor because you cant even open them with the campaign editor if you try it says Invalid file version 7 current version 6! The ones who created Heroes Chronicles must have used a special internal campaign editor one that was never released to the public so you cant open them. Since no one has ever managed to write an ectractor program for it it is impossible to open them, but if you know a way than please tell me X Energy.


Well, I have thought about these things. Anyway, I thought we were going with the game tags, otherwise we'd have to change the exisiting pages; not just character ones, but other pages referring to other topics. Either take one path or the other. Besides, when stating "Enroth", by lore it would imply the character also died in Reckoning. As for the last games, I decided to use the first ones instead. Otherwise there would be a lot more moving pages of the existing characters, who appeared in H6. Besides, there is no actual policy that enforces this stye, but it should be reviewed. Energy X 10:07, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, maybe you are right. I sometimes forget such things. Energy X 10:24, September 19, 2015 (UTC)


It is speculation, at best. I'd rather avoid writing any plausible content, considering, from those words, there are no real connections between H3 and MM6 Ethric, only the name. Energy X 13:32, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if it is wise to let it stay, since there are no apparent sources that is the same Ethric. Well, I'll leave the issue on for later. Energy X 15:54, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Gaming footers Edit

Hi, Narve!

(Not sure which site you'll get this msg on first)

I was wondering if you had an opinion on this site being included in the new gaming footers? We'd love for the Might & Magic community to be included!

Best regards,

Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 16:40, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

Eh, fine. I don't have an issue with that. Might even improve out SEO. Energy X 19:14, September 25, 2015 (UTC)
Consider Might & Magic listed and approved, unless Narve disagrees ;) Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 01:26, September 26, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, go ahead. I don't mind.Narve (talk) 08:22, September 26, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Narve :) I've put Age of Empires on the list as well! Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 16:38, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Actually I have questions, did perhaps Revolt of the Beastmasters HeroesChronicles happened before The World Tree, Fiery Moon, Clash of the Dragons and the Sword of Frost? This demigod Vor is actually farr more powerfull than Duke Deezelisk of the Underworld if I-m correct? Who where the elemental lords? Where they ever shown in the game? Was Niven Griphonheart the father of King Nicholas Gryphonheart that later became Lich of Deyja King? 

It's not known exactly when Revolt of the Beastmasters took place, but it was most likely before those games, yes.
I'm not sure if it's ever specified just how powerful Vorr was, but yes, he was probably much stronger than Deezelisk.
The Elemental Lords never appeared on-screen in Heroes Chronicles, but they may have done in the Might and Magic series. I know they played an important part in Might and Magic III.
Niven was certainly the ancestor of Nicolas, but whether he was the father, grandfather, great-grandfather, or even further back, is not known. All we know is that Niven was the son of Mad King Gryphonheart, the descendant of Allison and Rion, and the ancestor of Nicolas, Catherine, and Lysander.Narve (talk) 15:23, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

That is exactly what I assumed, thank you Narve.

Yes, it is most likely as I assumed. Ordwald was made as a Druid deliberately just because of the spell Slayer for his specialty to use it against Dragons. Because your troops attack its target in which their attack rating is increased by eight, against Behemoths, Dragons and Hydras. So that he had a better assault on Dragons. Ordwald was based on Coronius the Druid, just because from all the heroes, Coronius is the only one who has this specialty. That is why, Ordwald is a Druid(Coronius), for to have the spell Slayer. Beneath it also says on wikipedia, that Coronius has it, that is why Ordwald is based as a Druid and appears as a Druid. I was right all along.

School: School of fire magic
Level:  4
Basic cost:  16
Duration:  1 rnd/sp
Basic effect
Target, allied troop's attack rating is increased by eight against behemoths, dragons, and hydras.
Advanced effect
Same as basic effect, except that attack bonus also affects devils and angels.
Expert effect
Same as advanced effect, except attack bonus also affects titans.

Heroes with a Slayer specialty[edit]Edit

Coronius casts slayer with increased effect, based on his level compared to the level of the target unit.

Although on his biography it said, that he is an old but powerful Warlock, Dungeon Overlords and Warlocks do not posses that kind of specialty and that is the main reason why he wasn't made as an Warlock or Dungeon Overlord. Instead, they where forced to make him a Druid, carrying the specialty spell Slayer.

It was not a mistake, that they made him a Druid, they just didn't had any other options and where forced to do it. Although they could have made him a Warlock, and given him the spell Slayer perhaps in a scroll or customize him with that spell as well. But in Armaggedon's Blade maps, that would probably only work with a spell scroll. Only he wouldn't be equiped with it at the beggining. Yes and most likely because Druids and Warlocks are both spellcaster type heroes, not from the might type. Only the hero's appearance is different, but his name and portrait are right.

First of all, that's not taken from wikipedia, that's from the Heroes III wiki. See how it links to "" instead of ""?
Secondly, there's no reason whatsoever to paste this into my talk. A link would have done just the same, and not cluttered up my talk page like this.
Thirdly, you don't really need the link either. I know what the Slayer spell does. It's even covered right here on the wiki.Narve (talk) 15:39, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I kinda messed up a bit, while sending the link to you. I didnt know you had Slayer in your wiki page already.

War Under The MountainEdit

Hey. If you have the physical book, do you know when it started. The Dark Elves appeared in the 560s, it's impossible that they waited until the 680s to start the war. Precision please? TY! Shadiac (talk) 07:50, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

The Dark Elves appeared in 541, with the pact between Tuidhana and the Faceless, and the war started in 586 YSD.Narve (talk) 07:54, October 17, 2015 (UTC)
So the War really lasted 120 something years? Shadiac (talk) 07:59, October 17, 2015 (UTC)
That's correct. At least according to the sources I have at hand (Actually, 116 years, which makes it as long as the real-life Hundred Years' War).Narve (talk) 08:46, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

I have another question, I read on your page that Armageddons Blade followed the events of Might and Magic For Blood and Honor VII? So bassicly Restoration of Erathia and Armageddons Blade both events took place after Might and Magic VII For Blood and Honor? Because then it doesnt make any sense somehow. That would mean, after the Restoration Wars, Archibald Ironfist arrived at Antagarich and still before Armaggedons Blade, can you explain me this?

No, the Restoration Wars took place before Might and Magic VII, and yes, Archibald arrived in Antagarich before Armageddon's Blade.Narve (talk) 10:43, October 17, 2015 (UTC)


Hm, could you remind me which musical themes are being used for Liberation, Long Live the King, Song for the Father and Seeds of Discontent campaigns? Energy X 13:09, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Could you reply to this message, please? Energy X 21:59, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Why does on Ordwalds page say he is dead as of Clash of the Dragons? He was dead as of Dragons Blood campaign, Ordwald was kiled by Queen Mutare in the fourth and last scenario of Dragons Blood, known as Bloodthirsty. In the end it says on the video, Ordwald is dead, his lackeys are dead, his lands and riches belong to me.

That's a mistake by the person who created that page. I've fixed it now.Narve (talk) 15:49, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

When actually did the elves of Av Lee had a war that lasted decades with Nighon? In Heroes Chronicles Clash of the Dragons it said that in the second scenario. Was Clash of the Dragons after Restoration of Erathia and Armageddons Blade? Because I am not actually shure when did Mutare became a Dragon and kiled Ordwald, before or after Shadow of Death and Restoration of Erathia? It could have also happened before SoD and RoE.

I don't remember a war that lasted decades. Can you find the exact quote or something?
Clash of the Dragons took place a few years before the Reckoning, since Waerjak appears as a boy in Clash of the Dragons and as a young man in Heroes IV, but I don't know the date, or whether it was before or after the Restoration Wars.Narve (talk) 16:14, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Ill find the exact quote for you.

It is not a date message that would appear on daily in the game, howewer it is an event-message that lies just before the garrison which is heavily guarded in the second scenario of Clash of the Dragons, known as Dragons Blood.            It says:

"In the distance stands the ancient Fire Gate, a garrison too strong for you to siege. After decades of war between Nighon and AvLee, the Nighons have fortified it well, and the Pegasi have flown over it many times to confirm the size of the army within. Attacking the Fire Gate would futile, so you must find a way around it. "

That description could also mean several wars and skirmishes over decades, rather than a single decade-spanning war. Nighon was always attacking the other nations of Antagarich (one of the benefits of having all those tunnels). But good catch.Narve (talk) 18:14, October 22, 2015 (UTC)


Well, I personally would delete the pages, but you could ask other what they think. Energy X 19:03, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Though I make mistakes sometimes, mostly I look very carefully before I say something if it is not supported by the game.

Elf (Ashan) Edit

Ashan Elves can live up to a thousand years. C'mon, Norge, don't ruin my fun please! --Shadiac (talk) 09:52, October 25, 2015 (UTC)


Do you think the structure templates look better with the resource icons or without? See here. Energy X 21:18, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

I have questions, at the end of Clash of the Dragons, it said that Queen Mutare Drake, the Dragonqueen of Nighon was only defeated by Tarnum, not kiled. It also sais she met her end at the hands of 'another' ? Who was that 'another' ? But in some pages, I read that Tarnum kiled Queen Mutare? I am a bit confused here, wasn't she kiled by Tarnum at the end of Heroes Chronicles: Clash of the Dragons? Why where in the last few scenario, especially in the last one only Kreegans of Eeofol to be controled by Queen Mutare Drake, but there where none of the Nighon Dungeon Overlords there anymore? If she was the Dragonqueen of Nighon, how come she commanded only Kreegans in the last scenario? How did she actually die and who kiled her in the end? If it said at the hands of another it couldnt be Tarnum. It was probably the final conclusion of the Restoration Wars between Erathia, AvLee against Nighon and Eeofol.

I have found out that the ones who made HeroesChronicles, said to a guy that uploaded a video of The World Tree who said that the Ancestors are originally not Barbarian Gods afterall. Infact they said they are humans of which all the humans originated from and are gods yes. Kind of the first 'colonists' of which the humans on planet Enroth populated from, as of origin. The Ancestors are actually generally Gods or human Gods, it seems they wanted to keep it abstract so that anyone could interprete how they thought they where themselves. They said that in an interview that this was not mentioned in the game. Here is a link, I think you will find it quite interesting. 

From 0:00 to aproximetly 6:00 minutes I think it says about that.

You're right, Tarnum did not kill Mutare. Any page that says he did, is wrong. We don't know who did, only that it wasn't Tarnum.
I have no idea why Mutare only had Infernos in the last scenario - there's no lore reason why she should. You're right, that'a bit odd.
The guy making the video didn't speak to the creators, he read an interview, which he links to in the description. Here's the real interview.Narve (talk) 19:21, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I read that too Jeniffer Bullard yes the one who made the HeroesChronicles. It shows the three ancestors one female in the center unknown by name, one male unknown by name to the right and afcorse Vorr to the left. Vorr as I read playing the game The World Tree was a barbarian King who died lonely in his bed I think.

I don't understand why Queen Mutare was a playable hero for the enemy in Counquest of the Underworld in the fifth scenario known as Jorm's Ambush. If Counquest of the Underworld happened long before the events of Sod, RoE and AB and all the other chronicles exept for Warlords of the Wasteland it somehow doesn't make any kind of logical sense at all. Queen Mutare was shown in Counquest of the Underworld and fought for the enemy Demons, which is impossible. Because in Dragons Blood she is said to be I think 27 or 26 or something like that I think and if Counquest of the Underworld happened that long ago before those events than Mutare shouldn't even be a playable hero because at that time she didnt even exist, little alone be there in the same age as later on! Unless, it was just for gameplay purpuises maybe just to make more different heroes playable for the Demon side? 

I have seen that the Elemental heroes of Masters of the Elements have an even higher experience number-level than that of Queen Mutare Drake of Nighon in Clash of the Dragons, which is impossible! Because Queen Mutare is more powerfull than common Elemental heroes or is she not? 

Even more strange than the Elemental Heroes from Masters of the Elements being stronger than Queen Mutare is the fact that after her transformation only her body and portrait has changed but her outside appearance in the adventure map as well as combat games she stays the same on horse ats as if nothing ever happened or changed to her. Her background also changed, howewer her outside appearance in adventure map as well as in combat stays the same?

Yes, Mutare is just there for gameplay purposes. They also have Sandro there, for the same reason.
You have to remember that these people are probably some of the most powerful servants of the Elemental Lords, each of which rules their own realm, while Mutare is just the mortal ruler of a single nation on a single planet. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they are more powerful than her.
As for her appearance, that's not strange. They didn't want to make a new hero model for a single campaign. Changing the icon is easy, changing the model is a bit more work.Narve (talk) 17:58, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Also Mutare was not actually the Queen of all Dragons just five types of them, Azure, Faery, Rust, Red and Black Dragons. Just some of the Green and Gold Dragons where only brainwashed or temporrary controled by her but not all of them, Tarnum break  the bond of Mutare who controled some of these dragons as well as I read though I am not entirely shure in detail if it was brainwashed or something similliar that allowed her that?

Ah yeah no I forgett about the Crystal Dragons, six types where ruled by Queen Mutare howewer Green and Gold where good dragons.

Although Mutare never had Green and Gold Dragons in her armies in the last scenario of Clash of the Dragons so bassicly it is like she never actually brainwashed them or whatever she did to them. She never had any true use of them because she never had them in her armies.  Although afcorse there are only 7 army type places to place them in a hero's cause, so she could bassicly never had more than six types of dragons to control at the same time.


From which site did you copy those lore texts, like The Inferno? Energy X 14:33, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Will use it for later. Energy X 15:22, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

New articleEdit

What do you think of this? Energy X 22:03, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Well there ain't much to do about that. Well, to tell the truth, the textual content is taken from that DoC Gamepedia, and they have similar layout about cards. The images, luckily enough, are being taken from a different site. Energy X 11:48, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

Why does Niven Gryphonheart don't have a biography? Only the word Niven is seen. Did they forgotten to given him one?

Mad King Gryphonheart doesn't have a biography either, while I could understand somehow that he is not a playable hero in the game, therefore he did not need a biography that desperately, I don't understand why Niven doesn't have one if he is a playable hero in the game?

A lot of the heroes in Heroes Chronicles just have their name as their biography - Larn, Numas, and Jinara from the last scenario of the Sword of Frost come to mind. But yes, it's weird that they didn't give one to Niven. Maybe they planned for him to be an unplayable hero, and didn't remember to fix his biography when they changed their mind. Or maybe there's some other reason.Narve (talk) 16:16, October 30, 2015 (UTC)
7. The Path of the Dark

a. The Breeding Zone

The new Seer tells you to go see Archibald, Lord of the Pit. The Pit is in Deyja and is 
hidden under the ground. In the north-eastern corner of the map, there is the Hall of the Pit, 
which you should enter. Watch out for the gargoyles, especially the Obsidian Gargoyles. They 
have a tendency of paralysing you and they also have many hit points and deal lots of 
damage. The Hall is straightforward, just head due north, go down the lift and continue to the 
north until you reach the gate to the Pit. Go in.
The Pit is the capital city of the Necromancers of Deyja. It is the home of the Dark 
Guild, as well as the master Earth guild. There are two promotions to be received here, as well 
as everything else a town has. Your goal for the moment is Archie's palace, Castle Gloaming. 
Follow the catwalks to the south, then take a left and then head south again. At the southern 
end of the road, head east and go in the passage. You'll warp to another area, the Spellcaster's 
Ward. Head back down the path and you'll find yourself near the Temple of Dark. Going 
through the passage a third time brings you to the Castle Gloaming. A fourth trip through 
brings you back to the town proper. Just head to the castle for now.
	In the castle go straight till you reach a big room, and from there take the little passage 
on the left. At the end, go in the boat and use the rudder twice. Get off the boat and go down 
the stairs. Go in the room and you'll find Archibald. He says that to win his trust, you have to 
survive a trip through the Breeding Zone - not an easy task!
The Breeding Zone is in the town proper. There is a little staircase leading down with 
a gate below. Enter it and you will find yourself in the Breeding Zone. The place is littered 
with secret passages, most of which are necessary to find to successfully make your way 
through the Zone. You can also find a book of Divine Intervention in the Zone, a nice prize, 
but useless for those of evil heart. The only hard thing about this level is the abundance of 
Behemoths, that at this point in the game are really hard enemies that can take and deal a lot 
of punishment. The only consolation is that they are very big and thus get stuck in some of the 

This is what one said that the Pit is the capital city of Deyja? Is this in Moulder or is he wrong? Ill delete this if it bothers you to much. Heres a link.

That's odd. I've done a bit of research, and haven't really figured out what's going on here. Maybe The Pit is another name for Moulder, or it's a part of Moulder, or the part of Deyja where Moulder is located - I don't really know.Narve (talk) 13:43, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

Most likely it is a part of Moulder or it was first called Moulder and maybe later The Pit I am not shure either or maybe it is a region of Deyja I dont know to.

Why where there playable barbarian heroes for the enemy in the second scenario of the Fiery Moon? I read a tribe of barbarians still worshiped Vorr. Even after Targors death. Also the Elementals where also Vorr's followers in the last scenario and before. It seems he had more followers to enshure his victory over his enemies and to destroy the World.

Yes, the barbarians worshiped Vorr. There was more than one tribe that followed him, and only Targor's barbarians stopped when the king died.
I don't think it's ever specified that the elementals worship him, and I don't know if the two players are allies - I have no idea whether they would attack one another if they met. But yes, it's quite possible that he had a few confluxes under his command.Narve (talk) 07:22, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

The Elementals where also under Vorr's command, they where also his followers and in the last scenario I believe they where allies and his followers at the same time because I watched them fly the red banner which Vorr's armies also flew and in the last scenario they met and never attacked one another that means they where his followers although I to don't think if it was ever speciefied if they worshiped him, but yes they where under his command. Although I was a bit suprised that they did not put any middle or large maps in that campaign due to it being probably the greatest battle that Tarnum ever fought-well that's my opinion. 

Also I think that the Necromancers where also under Vorr's command but did not worship him. The only ones who did worship him where Barbarians and Kreegans of the Fiery Moon. 


Do you believe we should add icons to every stat on creature pages, like on here? Energy X 11:43, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

The Sword of Frost is a direct sequel to Clash of the Dragons? So it is like The World Tree and Fiery Moon something like that? Hm, but Queen Mutare was dead since then while Vorr still existed after The World Tree so it is bassicly not like a two-parter game like World Tree-Fiery Moon or is it?

Another question-Lord Markham was the Duke of the Western Lowlands? So then he was probably the ruler of Tatalia?

Yes, the Sword of Frost is a sequel to Clash of the Dragons. The Clash of the Dragons scenario states that Mutare "soon met her fate". The first scenario of Sword of Frost says that after her death, "Nighon has fallen into chaos", and her generals "battle for control in an endless civil conflict". We don't know exactly how much time has passed, though. They could have been fighting for a long time.
I'm not quite sure of Markham's status. Maybe he ruled Tatalia before Tralossk, or maybe he was just the Erathian ambassador to Tatalia. Or maybe the Lowlands included more than Tatalia, and he was the Duke of the non-Tatalian Lowlands. It's also odd that a guy known as Lord Markham is Duke of the Lowlands - why isn't he known as "Duke Markham", or the "Lord of the Lowlands"? It could just be a ceremonial title. Short answer: I don't know, but in my opinion, there's not enough information to say that he definitely ruled Tatalia.Narve (talk) 19:18, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Great, now about sequels if Sword of Frost is a sequel to Clash of the Dragons, than it is safe to assume that Revolt of the Beastmasters is a direct sequel to Counquest of the Underworld to since Rion Gryphonheart and Alison Gryphonheart where mentioned in Revolt of the Beastmasters when Tarnum said to Niven Gryphonheart if he remembers his ancestors Rion and Alison Gryphonheart?  Since Mutare was mentioned later in Sword of Frost, than if Alison and Rion where mentioned in Revolt of the Beastmasters than that most likely means it was also a sequel like CotD-TSoF,or not?

Yes, he in that case he should have been known as Duke Markham not only just Lord Markham. 

All the Heroes Chronicles games and four first Heroes games take place in the same universe, so they're ALL sequels of each other. It's all the same world.Narve (talk) 16:12, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the update :) I didn't know how to link it like you did!!!

The reason I started contributing was because I was using the editor for heroes II, and I could not find info on the buildings anywhere online. Thanks for editing all the stuff I put up. I am new to this, and it is clear you guys are sharp!! If I overstep myself, please feel free to let me know!

I read you loud and clear about making new pages for spells!! As far as the spell Visions, no you can NOT learn from any of the six mage guilds. I will do more test on the shrines. Thanks for being patient with me, and for not nulling the contributions I make, but improving them :) 


Micah S.

Linking Edit

So I saw that you corrected my links in the page for the Shrine of the Second Circle. How did you get the links to go directly to the spell on the Magic (H2) page?? I can figure out how to link, but not to link to specific things on pages... I looked at the source code, but couldn't figure it out... Tried looking at your coding, and still couldn't figure it out... Is there an FAQ, or could you point out how its done for me?

Micah "Luv" Stachkunas 21:28, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

What a noob... I figured it out dude... Thank you againg for your patients...

Micah "Luv" Stachkunas 02:41, November 11, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you... But I am still having issues linking spells... I am working on the Shrine of the Third Circle. I got the first spell to redirect, but not the others I entered... I click the button to add the #REDIRECT [[]] and input my info. e.g. [Mass Dispel (H2)|Mass Dispel]. Any help would be appreciated.

Micah "Luv" Stachkunas (talk) 22:58, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Micah "Luv" Stachkunas (talk) 20:14, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

Permission to edit a restricted pageEdit

I was working on adding an article for shipwreck survivor. When trying to link articles to pages I came across two pages to link the artifacts. List of Heroes II artifacts and Category:Heroes II artifacts. I noticed that I was unable to add to the Category page. There are some artifacts missing from the list, and I would love to pull my weight and help add them :)

Micah "Luv" Stachkunas (talk) 02:49, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

I see you made a MAJOR change to the Shipwreck survivor page. My only concern is that although it gives a random artifact, that does not mean that it gives out ALL the artifacts. That is why I spent two hours revisiting the survivor to see how many and what artifacts I can get. Also having a list with links that go right to the the artifact given. Also, the link I sent you was SPECIFICALLY for (H2) category artifacts. "We don't create pages for artifacts that appear in only one game."  Category:Heroes II artifacts is a dedicated page to JUST heroes II artifacts. The problem is that I am not able to #REDIRECT to the artifacts on the List of Heroes II artifacts. It just brings me to the top of the generic page.

Micah "Luv" Stachkunas (talk) 07:54, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

First, I completely understand you taking down my comment on the actually talk page. I just wanted to cast a wide net for input on the topic. I like to ask if I am doing wrong, rather than you think I am just going willy-nilly not really caring...

Second, I WILL ONLY  input information I can verify. So expect you guess to sweep behind me and clean up. I just want to know what I need to clean up. Think you where right, I linked to Fire Cloak instead of Fire Cloak. Thanks again for your patients, and help. I am cathcing up as fast as I can.

Also, just to be DAMN clear... I am knew... I expect to mess up, and have you guys tell me "Hey WTF were you thinking!?!" LOL. So keep the critzizem coming, and I will keep adding as much content as I can!!! One last thing, when it comes to inacurate list, I just expected I couldn't get everything, so I assumed others would pick up the slack!

Micah "Luv" Stachkunas (talk) 10:11, November 15, 2015 (UTC)


Hm, can you give input on this? It is quite important. Energy X 22:02, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

I have a question, is it possible that Lord's can rule their own kingdom? Because in the page of Ordwald who was the Lord of Nighon, it says he had his kingdom that where his lands that Mutare later took from him? I thought King's can rule kingdom while Duke's rule dukedom and what then do Lord's rule?

I think that's a mistake. Lords don't usually kingdoms. As far as I know, it's just referred to as his "lands" in-game.Narve (talk) 19:21, November 22, 2015 (UTC)


Ah, good to hear. Energy X 20:23, November 23, 2015 (UTC)


This says you bought the game or just saw some videos. Which is it? Energy X 20:35, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

Well, it is just that I added the info, since someone else has told me about it (they didn't specify clearly, though). Energy X 11:24, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

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Hello, I have a question was Lich Emperor Mederon actually a Lich or skeletic corpse being like in Necropolis or like Necromancers or was he like a Warlock or part Lich part Warlock, are there any pictures of him anywhere? Where actually was written anything from him? If you have any storiyies or texts about him could you please show them?

The only information about Mederon comes from the item description of the Crown of Final Dominion, see here. To quote it in full:

"So named by its creator and only sovereign wearer, Mederon, the first and last Lich Emperor of Nighon. The everlasting dynasty he hoped to found lasted barely a dozen years. Mederon escaped the fate of his kingdom. It is said he still lives as a madman and searches the world for his lost crown."

That's all we know about him.Narve (talk) 19:43, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Hm strange how can he be a Lich and at the same time be the Emperor of Nighon? That was a different culture of nation, they are life beings and have different ways of life than Liches. Was the island nation Nighon by Antagarich an empire not a kingdom? Is Nighon that big to be an empire? Why was Av Lee then not an empire if it was greater than Nighon? I heard empires are more nations together but Nighon is just one nation therefore it could be a kingdom only, so how could Mederon have been an Emperor? He could have been a King, so why was he Emperor? You dont happen to know if he set ever foot on Antagarich or when he left the island nation Nighon?

I just told you, we don't know anything about Mederon other than what I quoted to you.Narve (talk) 20:49, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Above all the enemies Tarnum has fought, most likely we can assume that Vorr was the most powerfull and difficult one for him to defeat? Or do you think the Elemental Lords where more powerfull than Vorr? 

I don't know. It's certainly possible.Narve (talk) 07:53, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Another question Mutare was just Queen of Nighon and Azure, Rust, Crytsal along with Nighons Red and Black Dragons? Not Gold and Green Dragons or those Feary Dragons who she didnt control in the last scenario?

Queen of dragons was just her title. But she claimed dominion over all dragons, including gold and green dragons.Narve (talk) 22:55, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

In Kurl's biography it says he ruled over the same barbarians as he despised, so then bassicly it would mean that infact he was a ruler or at least one of the rulers of the Empire of Bracaduun also he was one of the Wizard-Kings along with the fact that he was the imperriums millitary commander plus the descendant of Jarg the Counqueror, in adition he was the only Wizard-King that played an active role in Warlords of the Wasteland and was the only mentioned Wizard-King of Bracaduun meaning he must have been the leader or at least one of the rulers of the Empire. So then an Empire can be ruled by more Kings not just by an Emperror then? 

Or can an Empire be ruled by a single King not just by a single Emperror? Are King's and Emperror's just ranks or titles that can be changed like for instance if a King wishes to become an Emperor can he then become one? Can an Empire be ruled by more than just a single Emperor? 

Yes, "King" or "Emperor" are just titles, and empires can be ruled by more than one person at the same time.Narve (talk) 13:58, January 10, 2016 (UTC)


Very well, then. We will be waiting. Energy X 14:08, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

I have found something out, I am not shure whether Clash of the Dragons is a direct sequel to The Sword of Frost, it is a sequel but I dont know for shure if it is a direct one. I have read the text messages on some of them was written that the King of Erathia and the Elf King of AvLee have send armies to fight the Nighon armies of Queen Mutare. That would meant the King of Erathia as King Gryphonheart, meaning he was still alive at that time-King Gryphonheart as he died at the beggining of Restoration of Erathia, therefore the only conlcusion I have come up to is that the Heroes Chronicles Clash of the Dragons must have happened before Restoration of Erathia happened.Maybe after Shadow of Death and before RoE or at the same time with SoD campaign that campaign must have occured and it is not clear how old was Waerjack at the time of CoD campaign, it could have been a long time that passed between Clash of the Dragons and The Sword of Frost. I think it culd have been like this the last four campaigns of Heroes Chronicles could chronologically happened like this Clash of the Dragons, The World Tree, The Fiery Moon and The Sword of Frost. The first four where probably Warlords of Wasteland, Counquest of the Underworld, Revolt of the Beastmasters and Masters of the Elements, then those four CoD, TWT,TFM and TSF. That is what I think it is unclear how much time has passed between CoD and Sword of Frost.

Clash of the Dragons can't have taken place long before the Sword of Frost - I'm fairly sure Waerjak was still a young man during Heroes IV. A decade or two at most, I think.Narve (talk) 17:33, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

Yes but that is not the main point how much time has past it could have been a decade or two at most as you say, hwewer I am wondering when did The World Tree and Fiery Moon took place I think it was after Clash of the Dragons and before the Sword of Frost. It is not specified when did World Tree and Fiery Moon took place those two campaign games of heroes chronicles are the only two campaigns that are the actuall Direct-Sequels to one another, because of the dissapearance of the Ancestors and the one behind it all was in both campaigns the main villiain Vorr who was still alive out there after World Tree in Fiery Moon, while Queen Mutare was kiled after Clash of the Dragons so she wasn't the main villian anymore after Clash of the Dragons in the Sword of Frost campaign. Unlike Vorr who after the events of The World Tree was still out there alive as the main villiain in the Fiery Moon so that is the conclusion that differs from Clash of the Dragons and Sword of Frost, the main villiain there is not the same he is different, Kija and Gelu are the villians there not Queen Mutare anymore. In Revolt of the Beastmasters also Queen Alison and Rion Gryphonheart where mentioned after Counquest of the Underworld which still does not mean it was a direct sequel to the campaign but ti was a sequel, the same thing in Counquest of the Underworld where Kurl was mentioned after Warlords of the Wasteland but still it is not the same as in The World Tree-The Fiery Moon those two campaigns where direct-sequels and infact they where two-parters (two parts of two campaigns that connect to the same one bassicly)they both speak of Vorr and the dissapearance of the Ancestors and of Tarnum, Grumba, while in other campaigns the main villian is ussualy dead after the first 8 scenarios or defeated but only in those two campaigns only after 10 scenarios bassicly Vorr was defeated by Tarnum so that was different than in other campaigns. The only question is when did it occur that was the only two campaigns that are not specified when it took place?

No, it is not specified when The World Tree and The Fiery Moon took place. We have no idea if it was before or after Clash of the Dragons.Narve (talk) 20:20, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

Another question, so then it is possible that in an empire for instance it can be ruled by more emperors at the same time? Also then a kingdom can be ruled by more kings at the same time?  

It's definitely possible.Narve (talk) 12:01, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

I have read the texts of warlods of the wastelands campaign scenarios of heroes chronicles. These Wizard-King's are sometimes refered to just as Wizard's not Wizard-King's all the time in the campaign scenarios texts, therefore I can assume these Wizard-Kings could be the Wizard heroes in the games as also Kurl was refered to both as Wizard-King and as a Wizard, only he was the only officially known Wizard-King of all, that is why I think these other Wizard heroes where also put there to make look like in the game that there where more Wizard-Kings instead of just one, Kurl. I can assume that Kurl was the most important Wizard/Wizard-King of them all, I just don't know why else was he the one who commanded the army at Castle Steelhorn? 

I read the messages carefully and they where speaking of tge Wizard-Kings but naming them as Wizard's more times than Wizard Kings. I think they where the heroes there those Wizards to make them look like the Wizard-King's for game purpoises I just don't know why the only one named was Kurl. Maybe he was the head of them.

Kurl wasn't at Steelhorn, he was in the Wastelands. Kurl probably wasn't that important - if he was, he'd be in Bracaduun, instead of living out in the provinces. And yes, the Wizard-Kings were Wizards (hence the name), but that doesn't mean that all Wizards were Wizard-Kings.Narve (talk) 17:08, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Kurl appeared at Steelhorn therefore he was indeed important. Otherwise he would have been kiled at the provinces, reasons why he appeared first at that early stage at the game of warlords of the wasteland is because he dealed with the affairs with the enemy barbarians and it says in his biography that he rules over the same barbarians as he hates, meaning he was a ruler of Bracaduun, otherwise he couldn't rule the barbarians he hates. Since he was the only named Wzard-King he could have been more important than the other Wizard-King's. Although that is just my assumption.

I'd forgotten about that. My mistake. Yes, if he led the defense of Steelhorn, he was probably important.Narve (talk) 19:09, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I have a new question since Mederon was a Lich Emperor how did he rule Nighon as a kingdom? As far as I know Nighon was a kingdom and Emperors don't usualy rule kingdoms only kings rule them, they rule empires so why does it say he escaped the faith of his kingdom if he was an Emperor? 

That could have been a mistake on the part of the writers, or a choice by the Lich Emperor - if he's in charge, he can give himself any title he wants.Narve (talk) 19:29, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

No I am almost certain that was a mistake on the part of the writters as you said, I think he was not necceseraly Lich Emperor Mederon, but Lich King Mederon because Nighon was a kingdom and even Mutare was a Dragon Queen meaning it must be ruled by Kings and Queens also it says he escaped the faith of his kingdom, well the thing is that I have found out these writters of 3DO have made some mistakes so far, one of them was that they said at the beggining of the campaign os SOD Specter of Power where it is stated that Sandro thought about these are the times when he wished he would have the Armor of the Dead King. Which is a mistake also by the writters as it is not Armor of the Dead King but Cloak of the Undead King as far as I know, another thing I think they also made a mistake like in Niven without puting his biography there they also made a mistake once saying I think they wrote somehwere in the campaigns Duke Kingson Boragus instead of Duke Winston Boragus. I am almost a hundred percent shure that was a mistake by the writers, as it was even stated in that artifact Crown of Final Dominion that he escaped the faith of his kingdom meaning Nighon is definetly a kingdom not an empire, therefore Mederon cannot be an Lich Emperor most likely a Lich King otherwise Duke Boragus could have also been an Emperor Boragus of the kingdom of Krewlod if that where the case and so on.

Also in Jeddites biography it says some have said he has seen the face of Zenofex while in the campaign Armagedons Blade his name is Xenofex not Zenofex that is also a mistake I believe.

These writers and editors of 3DO company make mistakes there is no doubt about it.


Do you think it is best to replace the background image with the previous one? I mean this one represents Heroes VII, which has received its negative feedback from many people. Energy X 22:54, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Otherwise I have another question, if you know - can a single King alone rule an Empire?

Yes, they can. The rulers of the British Empire were often referred to as "King" or "Queen", rather than "Emperor" and "Empress".Narve (talk) 10:59, February 7, 2016 (UTC)


For the NationInfobox, it is the best next thing. It is just the previous one was more related as a technical (in game) data, while this one serves more as a lore article. I don't see any other infobox better than that.

As for the Species template, yes, that does not belong on such pages. Energy X 22:22, February 12, 2016 (UTC)


Yeah, saw it. Well, I guess one could copy the article and say "it was copied from". Because I don't see much reason against - the place is basically abandoned, doubt people care or even know about it. Energy X 21:04, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

Who where Clan Kreelah? Where they a religious force like the Sons of Erebus? Or was this clan more important than them? The Eeofol capital was Kreelah, so this was it's clan or something like that? A powerfull leading force of the Kreegans under the leadership of King Lucifer himself?

No, Clan Kreelah is a clan, not a religious order. I don't think they were as important as the Sons of Erebus, which were Lucifer's elite royal guards. I don't know if Clan Kreelah has anything to do with the town of Kreelah, beyond the name. And considering their main fortress was located near the border to Erathia, I find it unlikely that they had any sort of leadership position.Narve (talk) 14:53, March 19, 2016 (UTC)


Well, to tell the truth, the real thing is to use Template:Infobox and make it portable friendly. For a temporary solution, it is good. Energy X 22:28, March 21, 2016 (UTC)


I am somewhat busy nowadays. But I'll try to find time for this place as well. Energy X 09:18, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

Appreciate this concern. I'll try to, but I can't make any promises, though. Energy X 20:28, April 2, 2016 (UTC)


Can you give your input on the Forum:Portable infoboxes? It is a quite important topic and I'd like as much feedback as possible. Energy X 22:17, April 3, 2016 (UTC)


Hm, don't see much trouble in those categories, in my opinion.

But yeah, he doesn't leave any messages, for some reason. Wish I knew what to do about that. Energy X 19:02, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

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