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Archive 1

New pages for buildingsEdit

I won't add any new pages until further notice.  I added the ones I thought were useful.  I won't add the creature dwellings because they're in the town's main page.

DA WarM (talk) 18:38, April 30, 2015 (UTC)


Well, not certain if that is what you meant, but I did create the category, Category:Armageddon's Blade campaign scenarios to store scenarios of Armageddon's Blade campaign. Not sure what you exactly mean, can you make an edit and let me see what you mean exactly? Energy X 19:48, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

I see. But I was thinking more of the fact to separate the campaign scenarios with single scenarios; it would be strange to put them both in the same category, right? Or, if you prefer, the category can be just renamed, so "Category:Dragon's Blood scenarios" would be named "Category:Dragon's Blood campaign" or just "Category:Dragon's Blood". Energy X 15:33, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I didn't see much of an issue when making the H5 campaigns. But I will think about your idea around these days. Energy X 19:50, May 11, 2015 (UTC)


Huh, just as a personal opinion, are the books well written?

Anyway, it is, indeed, necessary to create these articles. But, for other question, I must ask: how long are these books? How many characters are in there? Do all (or most) characters and monsters appear in both books, or are they highly different from one another? Finally, is there some other thing to base the setting on?

Anyway, I'll try to come up about those categories. Energy X 20:53, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and yeah, if there are some drawings or artwork being that in the book, it would be nice to scan them and upload them. If you have a scanner, that is. Energy X 20:55, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Hm. Maybe their next books would've had more quality. Oh well. Anyway, for the category, how does "Category:Dreamwright & Shadowsmith characters" sound? As for "base the setting on", thought that since the world is not named, maybe the area where they experience most of their adventures is named instead. Since there is no artwork, is there anything notable that can be scanned? Energy X 09:23, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Very well, continue on. Energy X 20:11, August 11, 2015 (UTC)


Just how many characters are there, anyway? Energy X 20:35, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, that doesn't seem like a big number to separate the categories. Considering how many more there could be. Besides, you did say a lot of characters from Dreamwright appear in Shadowsmith, meaning that there would be a lot of articles appearing in both categories. At least this way the readers can know the characters and creatures by setting, even if it isn't named. Energy X 21:02, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

Lore Edit

Greetings, Narve I have a question, where in the Heroes of Might and Magic games is the town Moulder to be found in Deyja? I played Heroes of Might and Magic III, Restoration of Erathia, Shadow of Death and Armageddon's Blade and I couldn't find it in any game scenarios in the campaigns. Can you help me?

I don't think it appears in the Heroes games, it's found in Might and Magic VII.Narve (talk) 19:40, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Hello Narve I have a theory that is questionable, but could it be possible that Ordwald is perhaps the son or a descendant of Lich Emperror Mederon? For it was mentioned that the Nighon lands he controled where given to him by a 'much greater father', could it be that much greater father was Emperror Mederon on Ordwald's biography it also was written that Ordwald rejected the warrior’s arts and turned to magic. He is an old, but powerful, warlock in a land where lords almost never live long enough to grow old. Perhaps it means that he was given his lands by this greater father but did not want to rule them as a warrior(Overlord) and become a Warlock(turned to magic) and did not want to became a ruler of Nighon? Why also is Ordwald a Druid not a Warlock in the game? Nighon doesn't really have Druids only Walrocks and Overlords and in his biography it also states that he is an old but powerfull warlock, I don't understand why the made him a Druid then?

Unlikely. Mederon was a lich, and it would be strange for a lich to have a human child. Besides, the emperor lost his lands, so there was probably nothing left for anyone to inherit. In addition, if Ordwald's father was a lich, he wouldn't have "rejected the warrrior's arts" - liches aren't warriors, they're spellcasters.
As for why they made him a druid, that's a very strange choice, and I can't explain it. Possibly just a mistake?Narve (talk) 15:49, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

I see, I have seen a map on which says a part of Nighon by the sea called 'Mederon Peninsula' that part must have belonged to Emperror Mederon, howewer I wonder who Ordwald's father really was if it was written on his bio lands given to him by a much greater father I thought from that part that Ordwald's father could have been a monarch. Although if Ordwald's father was a monarch than Ordwald to would most likely be a ruler of Nighon but he was not, but I don't understand why on his page underneath says Occupation: De-facto ruler of Nighon, I don't know what de-facto means?

De facto essentially means "practically". In other words, he's not officially the ruler, but he is the most powerful person in the nation. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if that's actually supported by the games - maybe we should change that to "One of the Lords of Nighon" or something like that.
And the Mederon Peninsula was invented for a fan-made map, it doesn't actually appear in any game or story.Narve (talk) 18:19, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

In heroes 3 Shadow of Death the final chapter of Rise of the Necromancer known as Duke Alarice I played it was written on the region map that the new king of deyja is still not settled into the throne of Deyja, I have a question was Duke Alarice the protector of the King's throne in the throne of Deyja at that time? Because it was written that Sandro and Finneas overthrew Duke Alarice and later Finneas became a lord of Deyja by the King of Deyja.

Most likely not - Alarice was just the ruler of a contested area. It was their unlikely victory over a superior enemy that impressed the king, not the fact that they defeated that particular lord.Narve (talk) 18:51, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

What did they mean by after killing Duke Alarice they will be a step away from the throne, what was their next step, perhaps to overthrow the King of Deyja so Finneas could become King or to have another battle at another region?

In the game Heroes Chronicles:Revolt of the Beastmasters, was Mad King Gryphonheart the King of the nation that later became Tatalia or was he only the King of Erathia, I never played the game that's why I ask?

Yes, the next step was to overthrow the king and replace him with Finneas. Sandro says that "Soon the king will understand the full view of my vision. Then it will be too late for him." In order words, he's killed and replaced.
The Mudlands, the swamps that later became Tatalia, were part of Erathia at the time of Revolt of the Beastmasters. Before that, they were part of Krewlod, and before that, Bracaduun. But Tatalia didn't become a nation until the events of that game.Narve (talk) 16:55, August 4, 2015 (UTC)


Actually what I wanted to ask was if Mad King Gryphonheart had his throne in the mudlander lands of which later became Tatalia at time of Revolt of the Beastmasters in that last scenario of the game where they had beaten him with Tarnum?

No, his throne was in Erathia. He had entered the swamps to hunt the escaped slaves.Narve (talk) 08:50, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Now I seen the video where Finneas Vilmar is crowned lord by the King of Deyja after defeating Duke Alarice, do you know perhaps if he was crowned in that same region where after he defeated Duke Alarice or was he crowned elsewhere?

No idea.Narve (talk) 09:36, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks still. Do you perhaps know the town in which Finneas was crowned by the King of Deyja?

No. Probably Moulder, since that's the capital.Narve (talk) 13:19, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

I thought Moulder was found in Heroes VII? Was it the capitol before Heroes VII? In which scenario does Moulder actually appear or is mentioned in Heroes VII, I never played the game that's why I didn't know?

Moulder isn't found in Heroes VII, it's found in Might and Magic VII. Heroes VII takes place in Ashan, not on the planet Enroth, and hasn't come out yet.Narve (talk) 14:50, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, well what I meant to ask was if there is a possibility that Moulder was perhaps constructed or even existed before the beggining of Might and Magic VII?

It was definitely constructed long before Might and Magic VII began.Narve (talk) 15:12, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

So the capitol city is actually the city which has a capitol and where the King or Queen has it's throne there and rules over a nation?

Yes, a capital (not capitol) is where the ruler lives. This is usually the case in reality, and almost always true in fiction.Narve (talk) 15:34, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

I've seen on some pages that Castle Gloaming has a throne room and I believe that King Archibald Ironfist became ruler there in Deyja later, so I was wondering how come Castle Gloaming wasn't the capital of Deyja in Might and Magic VII? On some pages I saw that Castle Gloaming has a throne room. and this

Castle Gloaming isn't a city, it's a castle in Moulder.Narve (talk) 14:41, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Now I understand.

In the last scenario of the campaign Shadow of Death in the campaign Specter of Power in the last scenario 'With Blinders on' there was said that Sandro kiled an innocent Deyjan Lord known as Smedth, but there was only a Death Knight known as Dufus that he kiled, then on some pages it was written that he kiled Smedth now I am wondering if Dufus is actually Smedth, or is Smedth just a character that doesn't actually show up as a playable hero in that game? Also there is a another character known as Lord Amrothal who also doesn't appear in that game as a hero?

I don't know. It's been a while since I played that scenario.Narve (talk) 16:34, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

After Sandro's fall Sandro and Finneas lost their kingdom to the four heroes Gelu, Gem, Crag Hack and Yog, now I don't understand what Sandro meant by saying four very brave but very foolish heroes have enter my realm so he meant it was actually his kingdom not Finneas's kingdom Sandro was actually rulling the kingdom of Deyja not Finneas Vilmar?

Sandro wasn't officially the ruler, but he considered Finneas his puppet - just there to be the face that ruled the kingdom, while Sandro made all the actual decisions. Of course, Sandro later discovered that Finneas was more independent than he thought, which is how he ended up behind bars.Narve (talk) 18:43, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Actually I was wondering why they said in the last scenario we face the Necromancer in his lair? Does Sandro have a city of his own? There is nothing mentioned of Finneas Vilmar anymore in the last two scenarios of Unholly Alliance campaign I was wondering if Finneas was fighting alongside Sandro in his last battle in the final scenario of the unholly alliance campaign and why did they say we face the Necromancer in his lair? I thought Sandro already lost his city(lair) in the scenario Union before Fall of Sandro scenario but in Fall of Sandro he had another city in which he hided from the other four heroes?

The lair doesn't have to be a city. It could be a tower, a cave, a mansion, or a castle, or almost anything else. The lair is just where Sandro is hiding. And I don't know where Finneas was during the last battle - in this struggle, he just wasn't that important.Narve (talk) 09:38, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Are Lord Alarice and Duke Alarice one and the same person? If they are, how come they have different protraits in the games? One time it's Lord Alarice who has the portrait of Vokial and another time is Duke Alarice who has the portrait of Nimbus. Why is that?

I don't know.Narve (talk) 17:37, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

When actually did Xeron became a King of the Kreegans of Eeofol? I think you made a mistake there, wasn't it Lucifer Kreegan III and Xenofex?

If you mean on the Eeofol page: Yeah, my mistake. I've fixed it now.Narve (talk) 15:36, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

What does Lord High Commander mean, a highest millitary rank bellow the King of Eeofol probably? Who where the Sons of Erebus? Do you perhaps know how Lucifer Kreegan III look like, he was mentioned in the campaign Armageddon's Blade but was never actually shown in the game and what was the name of the first King of Deyja-the one who was shown on the video who crowned Finneas Vilmar(The one who Finneas and Sandro overthrew from the Deyjan throne)? 

Are courts actually only in capital cities or in any cities in Heroes in Might and Magic III?

  1. Lord High Commander highest military rank - Essentially, yes. I think this was also Lucifer's rank, before he became king.
  2. The Sons of Erebus were a religious order of demoniacs and heretics, wanting to carry out the wishes of king Lucifer above all else. I'll create a page for them later.
  3. No idea how Lucifer looks like, there's no pictures of him anywhere.
  4. Don't know what the king of Deyja's name was. I'll add it to the Deyja page if I ever find out.
  5. The court is just the king's servants. Some of them stay in his house, the rest goes where he goes. If he's in the capital, so are they.Narve (talk) 19:18, August 14, 2015 (UTC)


I personally believe that King Lucifer Kreegan looks a bit like Xeron and has a Devilish figure though I have no idea.

I think Lucifer looks a bit either like Xeron or like Axsis due to rumors of him looking like Devil or a Demon King as they called him, I strongly doubt he looks like Xyron or like Zidar or even like Rashka or like Calyd or so, more of a devilish/demon figure. Familliar to an Arch Devil and has horns on his head thats how I my imagine him to look like.

Why did Sandro and Finneas actually had to remove the Duke Alarice from that contested Deyjan area and what does contested area mean? Was because they had to impress the King with that stunning show and abillity or something else?

"Contested" means that more than one person wants it. In this case, it was Alaric and Sandro, so they fought (contested) over it. And yes, they were trying to impress the king.Narve (talk) 19:58, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

When Sandro and Finneas where defeated, did they escaped from Deyja? When they mentioned Sandro being defeated it was actually Sandro and Finneas together that where defeated by the four heroes right?

No, just Sandro was defeated - Finneas remained firmly on his throne. I don't know if Sandro fled from Deyja, but if he did, he soon returned.Narve (talk) 12:54, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

So then Finneas didnt even appear in that last scenario Fall of Sandro if he was on his throne and only Sandro was defeated in that last battle?

I misspoke. Finneas appeared in the last scenario, and he may have been defeated in battle, but he never fled from Deyja, and he remained king.Narve (talk) 14:07, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

So in Specter of Power scenarios Sandro was still fighting in Deyja in those last four scenarios?

In some of them, yes. In the first one, he heads from Deyja to "invade" Haart's castle (actually a plot to leave him a poison to use on King Gryphonheart).Narve (talk) 16:08, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

I asked a wrong question what I meant to ask is if Finneas and Sandro after they where defeated in the last scenario Fall of Sandro they never fled from the region they where defeated and they never fled from Deyja, they where only defeated there correct? They where defeated but they stayed there, they never left Deyja.

Correct, they never left Deyja. I don't know if they left the region.Narve (talk) 18:09, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Why is there an option for a - main town - in map editor? What good is that for? Is it perhaps for marking a capital city in a map?

I don't know.Narve (talk) 18:23, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Do you know perhaps how King Tralossk looks like? I seen Duke Winston Boragus but I did not have seen King Tralossk, I heard he looks like a Lizardman and that he had Eleven daughters, one of them was Styg. She was the eleventh.

No, I don't know what he looks like, but yes, he's a lizardman. And he had at least eleven daughters - Styg description says she's the eleventh, but not that she's the last, so there could be more.Narve (talk) 17:11, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

I think Wystan is the next heir to the throne of the Tatalian Fortress city Tidewater is he not? Where exactly on the map is Tidewater located? Is it there where it says Tidewaters Cove perhaps?

Yes, Wystan is the next heir (he's married to Tralossk's oldest daughter), and Tidewater lies in Tidewater Cove.Narve (talk) 16:42, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Tidewater is a Fortress town? Is Tidewater Cove a region?

I don't know. Tidewater doesn't appear in any of the Heroes games, and the Might and Magic games don't use terms like Fortress or Rampart towns. And for your second question: Maybe.Narve (talk) 16:56, August 18, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, now I have seen it on the youtube videos that it is somekind of shipyard-town, sort of like an undercavern place for mostely pirates to hide or so and it's actuall name is Tidewater Caverns if this is it? So this is where King Tralossk lived, what happened to him then, was he kiled after Heroes of Might and Magic III?
I'm not sure whether Tidewater Caverns is the same place as Tidewater or Tidewater Cove. They're near, but I'm not sure they're the same. I don't know where Tralossk lived. He didn't appear after Heroes III, so he may have been killed in the Reckoning - or maybe he's alive somewhere, we just don't know.Narve (talk) 19:09, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers, probably we will never know what Tralossk actually look like, howewer I believe I know what Lucifer looked like, he appeared I believe as that Arch Devil on the seat by his Cerberus in the video of Dungeons and Devils campaign first scenario A Devilish Plan. That was probably him as I understand the seat of power was probably the chair on which he set, and I think I believe I know the reason why they made Ordwald a Druid was because they wanted him to have the specialty of spell ' Slayer ' though I do not know for what kind of purpuise. But it could be an error or fella that interfiered with the expansion pack of Armageddon's Blade, he was suppose to be a Warlock originally and I don't see any other reasons for making him a Druid because Nighon doesn't have any Druids, Druids belong only to Av Lee not to Nighon and Av Lee Druids are most likely as farr as I know no cave dwellers so they cannot live underground. Nighon only has Overlords and Warlocks and if Ordwald turned from warriors arts to magic can only mean he turned from an Dungeon Overlord which possibly his father was indeed to a Warlock which is what he was suppose to be and on his biography it states he is an old but powerfull warlock meaning he had to be a Warlock not a Druid, so that was most likely a mistake they made exept if they wanted him for some reason to have 'Slayer' as a specialty because no other Warlock or Overlord has that ability and I think no other hero has that ability either exept a Druid, but I cannot explain the purpoise or reason why they would need that but it is the only explanation that I can find.

So after Heroes of might and magic 3 and before Might and Magic VII began there was a Reckoning that destroyed the entire surface world of Enroth?

No, the Reckoning was after Might and Magic VIII and Heroes Chronicles. The only games set in the same continuity after the Reckoning was Might and Magic IX and Heroes IV (both take place on Axeoth, where the survivors fled).Narve (talk) 05:11, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

But then how is it that lord Markham became King of Tatalia and when was he crowned King? Did he became King after King Tralossk or before?

What makes you think Lord Markham was ever King of Tatalia?Narve (talk) 15:04, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Well I thought that he was King because on the page of Tatalia was written previous rulers: Lord Markham, Droglo that is why. But later I read first was ruled by Droglo and then by Tralossk but again I was confused

Our page about Tatalia has never mentioned Lord Markham. And there were hundreds of years between Droglo and Tralossk.Narve (talk) 15:14, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

On the page of Antagarich in the section Tatalia it says former rulers: Droglo, Lord Markham. Then it says Previous ruler: Tralossk.

Odd. I've fixed it now.Narve (talk) 15:25, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Does Tidewater appear in any other Might and Magic game or any Heroes game than just in Might and Magic VII?

I don't think so.Narve (talk) 17:39, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

I found a page on a site of IGN Guides, on promotional quests there are written texts like this:


A man in the northernmost settlement in Deyja offers to train your clerics if you return with the map to Evermorn Island. The map was stolen by pirates and hidden away in their headquarters in the Tidewater Caverns. The Tidewater Caverns are logically situated near the city of Tidewater, which is the capital of Tatalia. The caves themselves are on an island west of the harbor and thus, you must use the Walk on Water spell to get there. That means that you either have to have expert water magic to learn the spell, or that you have to find or buy a scroll.

The caves themselves are not that exceptional. There should be no new enemies, and they should all be easy to kill. There are only a couple of things to remember here. When you enter the caves you are in a large cave-like room - well, ok, maybe it is a cave. Enemies will try to swarm you, but they are so weak that you shouldn't care. Just kill them and head into the next room where there is a staircase. Just look for a secret passage on the left side of the stairs. There is a treasure chest in there. If you go up the stairs, you will be in another room. Head out on to the deck of the "ship" (I found it kind of looked that way.) and take the stairs up to the top deck. From there go down into the hold and kill everything. Near the stairs going down to another cave, search the walls. A secret passage containing several chests should open up. In one of them there is the map. Exit the caverns and bring the map to the priest in Deyja. You will be promoted and you will also be allowed to travel via ship to Evermorn Island.

I was wondering if this was written by a player who played the game, or does this text appear in the game of Might and Magic VII?

That text was written by a player.Narve (talk) 06:10, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

I have a question many times in the game of Heroes 3 it is mentioned Lords who are they? Are they the playable heroes in the game or are they rulers of an area like a region or so? Could they be any kind of hero a lord?

Lords are just high-ranking nobles, and rulers of an area. Some lords are heroes, and some heroes are lords, but not all of them.Narve (talk) 16:19, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Then I have one more question, how come Duke Winston Boragus is the ruler of the kingdom of Krewlod if he is just Duke? Can a Duke rule a kingdom or a monarchy by himself alone?

That happens in our world as well - for example, the monarchy of Luxembourg is ruled by Duke Henri. But as for why Boragus didn't call himself king, I don't know. Maybe he preferred the title of Duke, or maybe it was easier for the people he ruled to accept if he didn't take the title.Narve (talk) 18:49, September 4, 2015 (UTC)


Hm, what do you think, should the building template be made vertical, like this? Of course, that would require the template to be split into four pieces: one for file, one for name, one for requirements and one for description. It is just that the current one may feel too big to placed in the article. In addition, do you think a skill/ability template should be made (making tables all the time may be a bit too much). Energy X 17:07, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I know how it looks. But when added with other buildings, it feels like too much scrolling to find a piece of info. Well, I will try to see an alternative. Energy X 19:46, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

20k editsEdit

Huh, guess it was about time a new user made 20 000 edits here. Congratulations, either way.

This also gives me an idea to make the "Might & Magic Wiki diary". Simply put, one'd write about events from Might & Magic, this Wiki, community in total and about other things. Your milestone certainly cannot be ignored. Energy X 19:50, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, yes, that does sound important. Wish we had a transcript template, since I doubt the text template should suit this. In any case, go ahead. {{SUBST:Template:Signature/Energy X}} (talk) 08:50, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, these pages should be merged with faction ones. Not sure how else we'd call them, plus it is just a piece of lore about the creatures themselves. {{SUBST:Template:Signature/Energy X}} (talk) 11:35, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help! :-)


Hey, I managed to make the final version of the building template in my infobox. I would like you (and others) opinion on the current version. Thing is, the way the buildings are presented can feel a bit overwhelming (when one has to scroll down through the templates over and over). This is just a version to make them more organized and aligned horizontally, rather than vertically. Energy X 10:26, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

It could be just made into a new row. I am aware of the issue, though. Energy X 20:00, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. In the game Heroes of might and magic 3 are all heroes generals, or are only a few of them generals like Gen. Morgan Kendal of the Royal Erathian Millitary Command for instance?

They're all military leaders, but only some of them have the rank of general.Narve (talk) 20:16, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

That is exactly what I thought! Thank you.


Well I'd prefer to have buildings kept in the base articles. At best, they can be turned into redirects.

As for the classes, they have to be set up properly, meaning there has to be a layout for these articles. I'll try to revise them and set up a base, so the other articles can follow such layout. Energy X 21:06, September 10, 2015 (UTC)


How 'bout this? Energy X 13:03, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, is it because the images are vertical? If so, I guess I can make them horizontal (just has more of that background). Also, do you think it is better to have those skills listed in a table (to Grandmaster, Master and Expert sections)? Energy X 14:03, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, do you think Wizard is better? Energy X 17:37, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

I have played the entire Heroes Chronicles Conquest of the Underworld and on Duke Deezelisks bio it said he is one of the most powerfull demons of the underworld,wasn-t he the most powerfull one if he was the ruler and leader of the entire underworld by himself alone? There is noone else that was more powerfull or was there? Could it be that he was a King before and prefered the title Duke Deezelisk? Also was Kurl the Wizard-King or just a Wizard? He was the ruler of the Empire of Bracaduun?

Deezelisk didn't rule the entire Underworld, just part of it - the person who created his page was wrong. There might have been more powerful demons there. Kurl was one of the Wizard-Kings, but not the ruler of Bracaduun - there were many Wizard-Kings during his time.Narve (talk) 18:10, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

I know but Kurl was at least one of the rulers Wizard-Kings right?

He was one of the Wizard-Kings, yes.Narve (talk) 19:19, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

So there could have been a King of the Underworld not only a Duke then?

There's never been mentioned a character like that, so there's probably not.Narve (talk) 21:13, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Now I have a question if you could help me a bit. I-ve noticed that in the Heroes Chronicles edition the maps h3m for the campaign h3c cannot be opened for some unknown reasons. If i try to open them with the standard campaign editor it says Invalid map version file version 7 current version 6! I tried to open themwith the Wogeditor but it does not work either do you know perhaps of a solution for that how can I converte the h3c maps into a format I could open? The gamemakers have made it with an internal campaign editor one that was never released to the public and there is no other way to extract the maps out do you know how?

No, I don't know anything about that.Narve (talk) 05:46, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

So there could have been more powerfull demons than Duke Deezelisk in the underworld but not all in the same rank of Duke is that what you meant? Because if he was said to be the Duke of the underworld than it is more to be assumed that he is also the only Duke underground, otherwise it would said that Deezelisk is                                                     -one of the Dukes of the Underworld-               not the Duke of the Underworld in the intro video never deal with a demon.

It's also possible that he's the ruler of the entire Underworld. We just don't know.Narve (talk) 16:17, September 14, 2015 (UTC)


Well, I think it is better to tag such pages with (MM4), but leave a note that it also appears with the same function in MM5. Energy X 16:32, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

These demons of the underworld are like some kind of ancestors of the Kreegans of Eeofol, Dungeon Overlord of Nighon and the Necromncers of Deyja alltogether if I-m not mistaken?

You're mistaken. It's possible that the kreegans use the demons from the Underworld (the exact mechanics are hard to figure out), but they have nothing to do with the Underworld themselves. The only reason why some of the demons look like Dungeon and Necropolis creatures is for gameplay purposes - it's not the origin of either faction.Narve (talk) 20:31, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

So infact what you tried to say is that the reasons for gameplay purposes why they made Necropolis, Dungeons and Inferno towns together for the Demons of the Underworld was not to make us believe they where the ancestors of these three types of armies but to make the Demons of the Underworld look a bit different than the Kreegans of Eeofol so that they wouldn-t look the same because there is no real difference or it is hard to spott between Kreegans and Demons if I got it right now?

No, it was to make the Demons of the Underworld look different from each other - the Underworld is a strange, horrible place, and not all demons look the same.Narve (talk) 16:16, September 15, 2015 (UTC)

Correct me if I-m wrong, but if Jorm was in the 7th scenario it means he was second in command of Dezeelisks armies, so he was like a powerfull Demon Lord or a Demon Baron or maybe a Demon Count or something like that that is bellow a Duke it stands howewer that he wanted to become a Duke on his biography and that he is a lesser Demon so I don-t know what kind of Demon is he then ranked?

"he was second in command of Dezeelisks armies" What gave you that idea? Anyway, I don't think his rank, if he has one, is ever stated.Narve (talk) 13:41, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

Actually that was a bit nonesence that he was second in command, I thought so because he was the one who captured the soul of Gryphonheart howewer it has nothing to do with this my mistake.

I thought Jorm was a Count or a Baron or something beneath a Duke if he is a lesser demon because in the third scenario when Tarnum fought Necromancer Demons or whatever they are at the beggining it was mentioned that alongside Sandro two other -   Demon Barons   -  where protecting the land in one of the text messages in the campaign HeroesChronicles Conquest of the Underworld.

That doesn't mean Jorm has a rank. And if he does, I don't think it's stated in the game.Narve (talk) 11:26, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

How actually did you know what the biography background of Jorm is? He is not a playable hero so there is no way anyone could know his background I dont understand?

And how did you know the amount of experience Jorm had can you please tell me that?

Ah, but there are alternative ways to find out. It means that whoever created the Heroes Chronicles also left some maps that can be opened and viewed in map editor. Also, the same people could've just shared bits and pieces of information, like Jorm's stats. Energy X 22:17, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but unfortunettly no one can open them with the map editor because you cant even open them with the campaign editor if you try it says Invalid file version 7 current version 6! The ones who created Heroes Chronicles must have used a special internal campaign editor one that was never released to the public so you cant open them. Since no one has ever managed to write an ectractor program for it it is impossible to open them, but if you know a way than please tell me X Energy.


Well, I have thought about these things. Anyway, I thought we were going with the game tags, otherwise we'd have to change the exisiting pages; not just character ones, but other pages referring to other topics. Either take one path or the other. Besides, when stating "Enroth", by lore it would imply the character also died in Reckoning. As for the last games, I decided to use the first ones instead. Otherwise there would be a lot more moving pages of the existing characters, who appeared in H6. Besides, there is no actual policy that enforces this stye, but it should be reviewed. Energy X 10:07, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, maybe you are right. I sometimes forget such things. Energy X 10:24, September 19, 2015 (UTC)


It is speculation, at best. I'd rather avoid writing any plausible content, considering, from those words, there are no real connections between H3 and MM6 Ethric, only the name. Energy X 13:32, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if it is wise to let it stay, since there are no apparent sources that is the same Ethric. Well, I'll leave the issue on for later. Energy X 15:54, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Gaming footers Edit

Hi, Narve!

(Not sure which site you'll get this msg on first)

I was wondering if you had an opinion on this site being included in the new gaming footers? We'd love for the Might & Magic community to be included!

Best regards,

Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 16:40, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

Eh, fine. I don't have an issue with that. Might even improve out SEO. Energy X 19:14, September 25, 2015 (UTC)
Consider Might & Magic listed and approved, unless Narve disagrees ;) Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 01:26, September 26, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, go ahead. I don't mind.Narve (talk) 08:22, September 26, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Narve :) I've put Age of Empires on the list as well! Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 16:38, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Actually I have questions, did perhaps Revolt of the Beastmasters HeroesChronicles happened before The World Tree, Fiery Moon, Clash of the Dragons and the Sword of Frost? This demigod Vor is actually farr more powerfull than Duke Deezelisk of the Underworld if I-m correct? Who where the elemental lords? Where they ever shown in the game? Was Niven Griphonheart the father of King Nicholas Gryphonheart that later became Lich of Deyja King? 

It's not known exactly when Revolt of the Beastmasters took place, but it was most likely before those games, yes.
I'm not sure if it's ever specified just how powerful Vorr was, but yes, he was probably much stronger than Deezelisk.
The Elemental Lords never appeared on-screen in Heroes Chronicles, but they may have done in the Might and Magic series. I know they played an important part in Might and Magic III.
Niven was certainly the ancestor of Nicolas, but whether he was the father, grandfather, great-grandfather, or even further back, is not known. All we know is that Niven was the son of Mad King Gryphonheart, the descendant of Allison and Rion, and the ancestor of Nicolas, Catherine, and Lysander.Narve (talk) 15:23, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

That is exactly what I assumed, thank you Narve.

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